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Re: Sicilian Wings Gambit
Reply #9 - 03/31/10 at 12:54:04
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[quote author=5A6D6A7D6B6A646A7D0F0 link=1270008666/8#8 date=1270038651]In the first game you gave, after 1. e4 c5 ; 2. b4 cb ; 3. Ktf3, why did you not play 3... d5, intending 4. ed Ktf6 or 4.e5 Bg4 ? Black is much better in these lines.[/quote]
FYI, there is discussion of this game in the Rybka forum:
[url]http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforum/topic_show.pl?tid=14708[/url]
Shahar Tzafrir considers 3...d5, 3...d6 and 3...e6 to be stronger than 3...Nf6 as played.
  
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Re: Sicilian Wings Gambit
Reply #8 - 03/31/10 at 12:30:51
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In the first game you gave, after 1. e4 c5 ; 2. b4 cb ; 3. Ktf3, why did you not play 3... d5, intending 4. ed Ktf6 or 4.e5 Bg4 ? Black is much better in these lines.
  
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Re: Sicilian Wings Gambit
Reply #7 - 03/31/10 at 11:18:15
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An NM and trainer told the variation with 4.Nf6 and N:d5 for black as better.
Is that good?
Antigoon wrote on 03/31/10 at 07:04:43:
Nice game, it's good to see some wing gambit games as I believe it still to be an underestimated variation(about as much as the Morra is overestimated). where new ideas can be found

I do not use it as my main line but use it as surprise with good results like in the following game:

[White "Docx Stefan"]
[Black "Van Beers Eddy"]
[Result "1-0"]

1.e4 c5 2.b4 cxb4 3.a3 d5 4.exd5 Qxd5 5.Nf3 e6 6.Bb2 Nc6 7.Bd3 Nf6 8.O-O
Be7 9.Re1 O-O 10.Ne5 Nxe5 11.Rxe5 Qd8 12.axb4 Bxb4 13.Ra4 Be7 14.Qf3 g6
15.Rh4 Nd7 16.Rxh7 Bf6 17.Rxe6 Bxb2 18.Rxg6+ fxg6 19.Qd5+ Kxh7 20.Qh5+
Kg8 21.Qxg6+ Bg7 22.Bc4+ Rf7 23.Qxf7+ Kh7 24.Bd3+ Kh8 25.Qh5+ Bh6 26.Qxh6+
Kg8 27.Bc4#   *

Namaste, Stefan.

  
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Re: Sicilian Wings Gambit
Reply #6 - 03/31/10 at 09:58:10
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In my view the toughest nut to crack is 3. ... ba3:.
If there was something promising for white here, I would consider playing the Wing Gambit in serious tournament games. The other variations in my view already offer enough (even if only practical) chances.
  
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Re: Sicilian Wings Gambit
Reply #5 - 03/31/10 at 09:54:58
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Thanks! This 5...e6 comes in a later issue, thus we have time to crack all the tough nuts. 

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* MNb says: That Sjerbakov game is nice indeed, but does not prove yet, that White has enough. There is 19...Kh6 to refute and 12...Qd6 13.Ne4 Qc7 looks safer. (reply 4)
* I recently proposed a transposition to the game Tartakower-Luckis, 1938 with 6.d4. (reply 21)

Yes, there are some earlier improvements in this sequence, both for Black and White. I like 6.d4, and 6.axb4 Bxb4 7.Na3 is also excellent.

Regarding 19...Kh6 - White has fine chances, for most gambiteers "comp." signs are not their biggest fear. 
Regarding 12...Qd6 13.Ne4 Qc7 - this loses after 14.Nxf6+ Bxf6 15.Bxh7+. - Or 13...Nxe4(!) 14.Bxe4 Bc6 15.Nxc6 Nxc6 16. Ra3 +=.
  
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Re: Sicilian Wings Gambit
Reply #4 - 03/31/10 at 09:13:55
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Stefan Buecker wrote on 03/31/10 at 07:56:39:
A splendid game, congratulations! The move 10...Nxe5?! gives the white pieces the time and space for a brutal attack. Your execution is impressive.

Sherbakov - Das, Pune 2004, went instead 10...Bd7 11.axb4 Nxb4 12.Nc3 Qd4 13.Be4 Qb6 14.Nxd7 Nxd7 and now the classical double sacrifice 15.Bxh7+ Kxh7 16.Qh5+ Kg8 17.Na4 Qd6 18.Bxg7 Kxg7 19.Qg4+ Kf6?? 20. Nc3 +-. The game is one of the center pieces in Nigel Davies' chapter on the Wing Gambit in his Gambiteer I book.

But does anyone see a win, if Black plays 19...Kh6, e.g. 20.Ra3 Bg5 21.Rh3+ Kg6 22.Qh5+ Kf6?

Edit: Davies writes in Gambiteer I (2007): "19...Kh6 would have been a much tougher nut to crack, for example 20.Ra3 Bg5 21.Rh3+ Kg6 22.f4 Qxf4 23.Qh5+ Kg7 24.Qh7+ Kf6 25.Rf1 wins Black's queen but the situation is still far from clear." - I'd prefer 22.Qh5+ Kf6 23.Nc3, when White has a lasting attack, enough to compensate for the piece. But it would be better to have a forced win.

Regarding 1.e4 c5 2.b4 cxb4 3.a3 d5 4.exd5 Qxd5 5.Nf3 e6, there are 2 other threads of interest:
http://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1168001920
* MNb says: That Sjerbakov game is nice indeed, but does not prove yet, that White has enough. There is 19...Kh6 to refute and 12...Qd6 13.Ne4 Qc7 looks safer. (reply 4)
* I recently proposed a transposition to the game Tartakower-Luckis, 1938 with 6.d4. (reply 21)

http://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1220086995
dragonmaster has some comments on 10...Nxe5 (reply 2)
  
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Re: Sicilian Wings Gambit
Reply #3 - 03/31/10 at 07:56:39
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A splendid game, congratulations! The move 10...Nxe5?! gives the white pieces the time and space for a brutal attack. Your execution is impressive.

Sherbakov - Das, Pune 2004, went instead 10...Bd7 11.axb4 Nxb4 12.Nc3 Qd4 13.Be4 Qb6 14.Nxd7 Nxd7 and now the classical double sacrifice 15.Bxh7+ Kxh7 16.Qh5+ Kg8 17.Na4 Qd6 18.Bxg7 Kxg7 19.Qg4+ Kf6?? 20. Nc3 +-. The game is one of the center pieces in Nigel Davies' chapter on the Wing Gambit in his Gambiteer I book.

But does anyone see a win, if Black plays 19...Kh6, e.g. 20.Ra3 Bg5 21.Rh3+ Kg6 22.Qh5+ Kf6?

Edit: Davies writes in Gambiteer I (2007): "19...Kh6 would have been a much tougher nut to crack, for example 20.Ra3 Bg5 21.Rh3+ Kg6 22.f4 Qxf4 23.Qh5+ Kg7 24.Qh7+ Kf6 25.Rf1 wins Black's queen but the situation is still far from clear." - I'd prefer 22.Qh5+ Kf6 23.Nc3, when White has a lasting attack, enough to compensate for the piece. But it would be better to have a forced win.
  
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Re: Sicilian Wings Gambit
Reply #2 - 03/31/10 at 07:04:43
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Nice game, it's good to see some wing gambit games as I believe it still to be an underestimated variation(about as much as the Morra is overestimated). where new ideas can be found

I do not use it as my main line but use it as surprise with good results like in the following game:

[White "Docx Stefan"]
[Black "Van Beers Eddy"]
[Result "1-0"]

1.e4 c5 2.b4 cxb4 3.a3 d5 4.exd5 Qxd5 5.Nf3 e6 6.Bb2 Nc6 7.Bd3 Nf6 8.O-O
Be7 9.Re1 O-O 10.Ne5 Nxe5 11.Rxe5 Qd8 12.axb4 Bxb4 13.Ra4 Be7 14.Qf3 g6
15.Rh4 Nd7 16.Rxh7 Bf6 17.Rxe6 Bxb2 18.Rxg6+ fxg6 19.Qd5+ Kxh7 20.Qh5+
Kg8 21.Qxg6+ Bg7 22.Bc4+ Rf7 23.Qxf7+ Kh7 24.Bd3+ Kh8 25.Qh5+ Bh6 26.Qxh6+
Kg8 27.Bc4#   *

Namaste, Stefan.
  
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Re: Sicilian Wings Gambit
Reply #1 - 03/31/10 at 05:31:04
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By coincidence, this game plays a prominent role in the article which will appear in Kaissiber #37. With Shahar Tzafrir's kind permission we were able to use his comments. It is a very nice game indeed.
  
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Sicilian Wings Gambit
03/31/10 at 04:11:06
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This Game Was Played in our Rybka Forum match vs a Correspondence/freestyle Player Shahar Tzafrir . We were allowed to use what ever we can and he beat us in mere 23 moves. We had 2 IMs OTB and to IMs Correspondence and 1 freestyle player who is 2200+ rating in OTB (Eros Ricco) and still we lost . I think wings gambit still has bite despite what others think. He gave his Analysis.
Note to Buecker - His analysis has been taken by michael wind for 3rd edition of Wings Gambit in  kassiber


[Event "24 hours per move"]
[Site "Rybka forum"]
[Date "2009.11.04"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Tzafrir, Shahar"]
[Black "Rybka Warriors, Forum"]
[Result "1-0"]
[ECO "B20"]
[PlyCount "135"]
[EventDate "2009.11.04"]
[EventType "corr"]

1. e4 c5 2. b4 cxb4 3. Nf3 Nf6 4. e5 Nd5 5. a3 e6 6. axb4 Bxb4 7. Na3 Nc6 8. c4
Nde7 9. Nc2 O-O 10. Nxb4 Nxb4 11. Ba3 Nec6 12. Qb1 a5 13. Bd3 f5 14. Be2 d5 15.
exd6 Qxd6 16. d4 Bd7 17. Qb2 Be8 18. O-O Bh5 19. Rfd1 Rae8 20. Rd2 b6 21. Rad1
Re7 22. h3 h6 23. Qb3 Rc8 24. Bb2 Nd8 25. g4 fxg4 26. Ne5 Be8 27. d5 exd5 28.
Bxg4 Ndc6 29. Bxc8 Nxe5 30. Bxe5 Rxe5 31. cxd5 Bf7 32. Be6 Bxe6 33. dxe6 Qxe6
34. Rd8+ Kh7 35. Qxe6 Rxe6 36. R8d6 Re4 37. Rxb6 a4 38. Ra1 Nd5 39. Rb7 h5 40.
Kg2 Rd4 41. Ra7 Nc3 42. Rc1 Nd5 43. Rc6 Nf4+ 44. Kg3 a3 45. Rcc7 Ne6 46. Re7
Rd6 47. Rxa3 Kh6 48. Rea7 Nc5 49. f3 Rg6+ 50. Kf2 Rd6 51. h4 Nd3+ 52. Kg2 Rg6+
53. Kh2 Nc5 54. Rc3 Ne6 55. Ra5 Nf4 56. Rf5 Ne2 57. Rcc5 Ra6 58. Rxh5+ Kg6 59.
Rhg5+ Kh6 60. Rc8 g6 61. Rgc5 Ra4 62. Rc4 Ra3 63. R4c7 g5 64. Rc6+ Kg7 65.
R8c7+ Kf8 66. Rf6+ Kg8 67. Re6 Kf8 68. Rxe2 1-0
  
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